Comments on: India Poised or Poisoned http://www.gracejunction.com/blog/india-poised-or-poisoned/ Grace Junction, Ahmedabad Thu, 08 Jan 2009 01:47:58 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: navin http://www.gracejunction.com/blog/india-poised-or-poisoned/#comment-246 navin Sat, 17 May 2008 07:20:31 +0000 http://www.gracejunction.com/blog/india-poised-or-poisoned/#comment-246 Such acts of mischief are governed under the Prevention Of Damages to Public Property Act , 1984 which says Commission of mischief by doing any act in respect of any public property is punishable with imprisonment upto five years and with fine. Commission of mischief by doing any act in respect of (i) any building, installation or other property used in connection with the production, distribution or supply of water, light, power or energy; (ii) any oil installations; (iii) any sewage works; (iv) any mine or factory; (v) any means of public transportation or telecommunications, or any building or installation used in connection, therewith is punishable with rigorous imprisonment for not less than six months but which may extend to five years and with fine. This has also been published on the site....but unfortunately the Govt has not done enough to make the public aware of these .... out of this huge population i was only the 115860th visitor to this site.... the will of the Govt to get this enforced can marginally improve the situation.... marginally again means crores of rupees...again as geo said if need a major shift then it has to happen at the individual level....the fear of the law needs to percolate for him to know that he is wrong...which will make him seek the right way.... Such acts of mischief are governed under the Prevention Of Damages to Public Property Act , 1984 which says

Commission of mischief by doing any act in respect of any public property is punishable with imprisonment upto five years and with fine.

Commission of mischief by doing any act in respect of (i) any building, installation or other property used in connection with the production, distribution or supply of water, light, power or energy; (ii) any oil installations; (iii) any sewage works; (iv) any mine or factory; (v) any means of public transportation or telecommunications, or any building or installation used in connection, therewith is punishable with rigorous imprisonment for not less than six months but which may extend to five years and with fine.

This has also been published on the site….but unfortunately the Govt has not done enough to make the public aware of these …. out of this huge population i was only the 115860th visitor to this site…. the will of the Govt to get this enforced can marginally improve the situation…. marginally again means crores of rupees…again as geo said if need a major shift then it has to happen at the individual level….the fear of the law needs to percolate for him to know that he is wrong…which will make him seek the right way….

]]> By: Geo http://www.gracejunction.com/blog/india-poised-or-poisoned/#comment-220 Geo Tue, 13 May 2008 04:22:43 +0000 http://www.gracejunction.com/blog/india-poised-or-poisoned/#comment-220 yes annie....change happens with the individual and slowly it percolates into the system... thus making the change in india a very distant and impossible dream just because of the sheer size of our country (in number of individuals)... when i wrote my blog I mentioned about indian value system being faceless and impersonal... when i say indian value system and core values, you have to remember that indian value system collapses sans its religious system.... indian culture is deeply seated in indian religion... and the core values and life principles are derived from indian religious system....they coexist basic to the indian culture is the law of karma. Though there are proponents of bhakti and dharma too, but the popular hinduism preaches and believes in law of karma...deeds... as you do, so shall you receive.... even the principles that enlighten the deeds as good or bad are very unclear or subjective.... yesterday i was reading on a car.... yatha yogyam tatha karu... do as you deem right (as it seems right!)! so its a circle of deeds, and the suffering or reward as per the deeds... there is no judge, no one to ask if you do wrong... no person behind the system.... the principle is in place and so as you do you will be commended or condemned by the system.... many will disagree because they definitely have faces and names they associate with... but these faces and names are only playing certain roles...(they are not the guardians of the principles of life or values)... they only probably try to show some kind of example to steer clear on the karma road... and probably help, if you call them out, with wishes and gifts or by their direct interference.... even if we go into classical indian religion, it does seem to elevate to the level of the brahman...(saguna brahman) but then, his position is superceded by a nirguna brahman.... who is impersonal.... so....let me conclude... the system is impersonal and the ultimate reality of indian system is impersonal too....and what we need to really become more answerable is to understand that "there is" a person behind the seen universe... the one who is concerned about what's happening.... one who is going to proclaim justice... definitely he has also set principles and basic laws to govern us... but he is sovereign and what's more.... he is interested in each of his creation.... if we get to know this creator...(and also the judge)... a lot of things will get automatically corrected.... out of fear or out of sheer reverence.... and yes...it happens inside the individual first...who then impacts his family, then the community and people around him... yes annie….change happens with the individual and slowly it percolates into the system… thus making the change in india a very distant and impossible dream just because of the sheer size of our country (in number of individuals)…
when i wrote my blog I mentioned about indian value system being faceless and impersonal… when i say indian value system and core values, you have to remember that indian value system collapses sans its religious system…. indian culture is deeply seated in indian religion… and the core values and life principles are derived from indian religious system….they coexist
basic to the indian culture is the law of karma. Though there are proponents of bhakti and dharma too, but the popular hinduism preaches and believes in law of karma…deeds… as you do, so shall you receive…. even the principles that enlighten the deeds as good or bad are very unclear or subjective…. yesterday i was reading on a car…. yatha yogyam tatha karu… do as you deem right (as it seems right!)!
so its a circle of deeds, and the suffering or reward as per the deeds… there is no judge, no one to ask if you do wrong… no person behind the system…. the principle is in place and so as you do you will be commended or condemned by the system….
many will disagree because they definitely have faces and names they associate with… but these faces and names are only playing certain roles…(they are not the guardians of the principles of life or values)… they only probably try to show some kind of example to steer clear on the karma road… and probably help, if you call them out, with wishes and gifts or by their direct interference….
even if we go into classical indian religion, it does seem to elevate to the level of the brahman…(saguna brahman) but then, his position is superceded by a nirguna brahman…. who is impersonal….
so….let me conclude…
the system is impersonal and the ultimate reality of indian system is impersonal too….and what we need to really become more answerable is to understand that “there is” a person behind the seen universe… the one who is concerned about what’s happening…. one who is going to proclaim justice… definitely he has also set principles and basic laws to govern us… but he is sovereign and what’s more…. he is interested in each of his creation…. if we get to know this creator…(and also the judge)… a lot of things will get automatically corrected…. out of fear or out of sheer reverence….
and yes…it happens inside the individual first…who then impacts his family, then the community and people around him…

]]> By: Santosh http://www.gracejunction.com/blog/india-poised-or-poisoned/#comment-202 Santosh Sat, 10 May 2008 06:37:33 +0000 http://www.gracejunction.com/blog/india-poised-or-poisoned/#comment-202 Some people think that plucking a mango from a mango tree on the road is okay as the tree doesn't belong to anyone. But as a country the government owns everything, we are only trustees of what's available to us..Similary if people understand that we are at the end of the day accountable to the mightly God for whatever we do things like the vandalism of the train can be greatly avoided...Yes one individual with a good thought can change the society...I was greatly impressed by an article which said that the biggest microfinance co in the world is in India, created by an Indian who studied in London School of economics and is working in the villages of Karnataka empowering the lives of the once poor farmers who now live a content life...Its us who can make the diff when the moment we rebuke somebody spitting on the road, quedtion vandalism to the people who are doing it, not to be a part of bribes...et cetera... Some people think that plucking a mango from a mango tree on the road is okay as the tree doesn’t belong to anyone. But as a country the government owns everything, we are only trustees of what’s available to us..Similary if people understand that we are at the end of the day accountable to the mightly God for whatever we do things like the vandalism of the train can be greatly avoided…Yes one individual with a good thought can change the society…I was greatly impressed by an article which said that the biggest microfinance co in the world is in India, created by an Indian who studied in London School of economics and is working in the villages of Karnataka empowering the lives of the once poor farmers who now live a content life…Its us who can make the diff when the moment we rebuke somebody spitting on the road, quedtion vandalism to the people who are doing it, not to be a part of bribes…et cetera…

]]> By: annie http://www.gracejunction.com/blog/india-poised-or-poisoned/#comment-200 annie Fri, 09 May 2008 23:16:24 +0000 http://www.gracejunction.com/blog/india-poised-or-poisoned/#comment-200 I agree with the author of the blog, but the question raised is what are things that we can change to bring a change - as individuals, as a community? Just curious to hear your comments :) and hoping that it will create an awareness of change happens with individuals not a system out there. I agree with the author of the blog, but the question raised is what are things that we can change to bring a change - as individuals, as a community? Just curious to hear your comments :) and hoping that it will create an awareness of change happens with individuals not a system out there.

]]> By: Pooja http://www.gracejunction.com/blog/india-poised-or-poisoned/#comment-198 Pooja Fri, 09 May 2008 10:02:11 +0000 http://www.gracejunction.com/blog/india-poised-or-poisoned/#comment-198 The blog post reminded me of the days when metro trains were just started in Delhi and how violently the people behaved, damaging the train interiors. Its so true as the writer says, what is required is a basic change in its core values...until then how much ever we develop in terms of facilities etc will waste the effort. I wonder why society acts so blind towards everything. Till one is safe and happy himself, one HARDLY bothers what’s happening around…who cares?! And the ones who do care are rebuked and hated by everyone, they become the target. Till when will we sleep like this and allow anything n everything? We ought to change ourselves and take responsibility of ourselves and be accountable. .. The blog post reminded me of the days when metro trains were just started in Delhi and how violently the people behaved, damaging the train interiors. Its so true as the writer says, what is required is a basic change in its core values…until then how much ever we develop in terms of facilities etc will waste the effort.
I wonder why society acts so blind towards everything. Till one is safe and happy himself, one HARDLY bothers what’s happening around…who cares?! And the ones who do care are rebuked and hated by everyone, they become the target.
Till when will we sleep like this and allow anything n everything? We ought to change ourselves and take responsibility of ourselves and be accountable. ..

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